TONY TRAMEL:

How to solve this problem...just to let you know...that, that, the ordinance that says In accordance with Section 86 -- such and such... the records are ___ because we changed it three times.

FRED DAVIS:

Uh, uh...if his would have said that...

TONY TRAMEL:

Oh, I know.

FRED DAVIS:

It would have gone...All of these past acts

TONY TRAMEL:

Okay, now.

FRED DAVIS:

Close the door, please.

TRACIE VICE:

Give them the copy, correct?

FRED DAVIS:

Mmmm, hmmm

TRACIE VICE:

Keep the original?

FRED DAVIS:

That sort of came out of nowhere

MALE:

Hey, it happens. I'm telling you this. In this particular case, you did what you had to do.

FRED DAVIS:

But, I mean like when we have parking tickets and they indicate the incorrect ordinance like what happened here, it doesn't matter if they are blocking a mile of traffic...

MALE:

I mean, the answer is, there is not two sets of documents here...there is one set of documents yet the number changed but with the right amount of time...

FRED DAVIS:

Well, then we need to keep that generic thing...

TONY TRAMEL:

We have solved the problem already because we went to just "Traffic Code 86 - such and such...whatever it is

FRED DAVIS:

Which is typical verbiage

TONY TRAMEL:

The thing is, we thought we had one ordinance...we had one ordinance but we amended it twice and so that solved the problem.

MALE:

I guess the question I have is...I still didn't understand the issue that he has an ordinance that said "X" and by that we are looking at something else here?

FRED DAVIS:

Well, that's the latest M.O. with them...

MALE:

Is there a difference?

FRED DAVIS:

Well, the numbers are different. The only thing different is that my copy of his shows that (obviously pointing at the document).

TONY TRAMEL:

Ahhhh, I got it now. I got it now.

MALE:

The paper trail issue

TONY TRAMEL:

Ahhhh, Absolutely!

FRED DAVIS:

I had to do that. I'm not even going to touch that.

TONY TRAMEL:

I'm gonna tell you right now...if they...you might walk in and you better check that and be done with it every time and say "This is an apparent legal notification error or whatever you want to call it, and you can..."

MALE:

By the way, I thought you did exceedingly well...

TONY TRAMEL:

Me too

MALE:

These guys are just aching to fightin' somebody...oh, they were just lookin' for anything.

FRED DAVIS:

[. . .], truth be told -- haha -- I trained before I came here.

EVERYONE:

[LAUGHTER]

MALE:

...and I stood back here because these guys were just looking for something.

FRED DAVIS:

Well, I mean...they want to bait you.

MALE:

Yeh, and you never win there. Never win there.

TONY TRAMEL:

I love the one..."Can you give me a copy of this fraudulent...what did he say?...

FRED DAVIS:

Falsified

TONY TRAMEL:

Falsified! I'm like where did that come from?

MALE:

Two sets of documents? I'm like "No."

FRED DAVIS:

Okay, now who were all of those people? Is that Todd Elliott, one of those people?

TONY TRAMEL:

The one in the sunglasses, I think is Todd Elliott. The other one is Steph...Stephanie Ware

FRED DAVIS:

Okay

TONY TRAMEL:

Okay. I love the way she said "Are you an attorney?" and you said "You cannot speak" and then you said "No." Bottom line is she is going to report that you are not an attorney. You wait and see.

EVERYONE:

[LAUGHTER]

TONY TRAMEL:

I'm tellin' ya...that's what going to happen.

MALE:

So, when all else fails you just make it up. Is that the deal?

EVERYONE:

[LAUGHTER]

TONY TRAMEL:

She's the first one to that.

FRED DAVIS:

I did for their benefit, and I am going to continue to do it for everyone else...is go through the process.

MALE:

Oh, I think that's perfect...I think that's absolutely perfect.

FRED DAVIS:

And, you know if there's a jump off point where...okay...you are going to end up seeing people so dissatisfied without any victory.

TONY TRAMEL:

Here's one of my questions before you even get into that point...because you have these two experiences already...they showed you a citation that had an ordinance -- so and so -- but what happened is the ordinance number for that citation is from the wrong time period.

FRED DAVIS:

That is correct.

TONY TRAMEL:

Let me also say one more thing. Check on this. The time when it's effective ___ the citation is issued, based on past thought is when we authorize it not when the citation was actually taken. I just want to let you know that.

FRED DAVIS:

Well...

TONY TRAMEL:

I don't know if that's the case or not.

FRED DAVIS:

Well...

TONY TRAMEL:

I started...I...I...I...started and I don't know how close it was.

FRED DAVIS:

Well, this is November 22

TONY TRAMEL:

______ time on this...Oh, when I did it? We thought about that too.

FRED DAVIS:

...which is without it. So, even if that's sent out and says November 22nd, I don't know...I don't have [inaudible]

TONY TRAMEL:

We just had this discussion yesterday or a couple of days ago about this because we are just capturing data on a certain time but until the person says "I believe you are, that's when the act took place."

FRED DAVIS:

Where is it on Abshire?...Is it October 7th? Phewwww

EVERYONE:

[LAUGHTER]

TONY TRAMEL:

But the point is, we got this one right here and it's right on the money, uh...

FRED DAVIS:

Uh, I don't have a time, 9:07 -- time of....

TONY TRAMEL:

It doesn't say on there and let me tell you right now...that's the 21st...it could be on either side...Here's the other question: "The ordinance is identical, except for about 10 words..."

FRED DAVIS:

I know.

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